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		<title>By: Ruth Aravah</title>
		<link>http://www.ajewwithaview.com/?page_id=3&#038;cpage=1#comment-1277</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth Aravah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey PBW, email me. You&#039;ve got someone connected to you in Y/A that is a raging antisemite who is connected with some of the worst of the bunch. You need to clean house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey PBW, email me. You&#8217;ve got someone connected to you in Y/A that is a raging antisemite who is connected with some of the worst of the bunch. You need to clean house.</p>
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		<title>By: A Jew With A View</title>
		<link>http://www.ajewwithaview.com/?page_id=3&#038;cpage=1#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>A Jew With A View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:   
   
I&#8217;m afraid you have misunderstood. Allow me to clarify:   
   
Of course, Jews can and do believe that Jesus existed.   
   
But no Jew can *worshiip* Jesus as divine, without violating core Jewish beliefs.   
No Jew can affirm belief in a &#8216;virgin birth&#8217;, without violating core Jewish beliefs.   
No Jew can accept that a man &#8216;died for the sins of others&#8217; without violating core Jewish beliefs.   
No Jew can affirm belief in Jesus as &#8216;maschiach&#8217;, without violating core Jewish beliefs.   
   
Does that make it clearer?   
   
To put it another way: just as nobody can declare &#8216;Jesus never existed&#8217; and STILL claim to be a Christian, so too, nobody can worship Jesus and STILL claim to be a part of Judaism. 
 
 
Now to clarify about being a Jewish Atheist: 
 
Granted, Atheism is not the ideal path for any Jew. But &#8211; whether you like it or not &#8211; it IS entirely possible, according to JEWISH religious law, to be both Jewish AND an Atheist. 
 
A person who is born into the Jewish family *remains* part of it unless they adopt ANOTHER RELIGION. 
 
Now, I&#8217;m sure you would agree that Atheism is *not* a &#8216;religion&#8217;. Thus a Jewish Atheist is merely a non practising Jew. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:   </p>
<p>I&rsquo;m afraid you have misunderstood. Allow me to clarify:   </p>
<p>Of course, Jews can and do believe that Jesus existed.   </p>
<p>But no Jew can *worshiip* Jesus as divine, without violating core Jewish beliefs.<br />
No Jew can affirm belief in a &lsquo;virgin birth&rsquo;, without violating core Jewish beliefs.<br />
No Jew can accept that a man &lsquo;died for the sins of others&rsquo; without violating core Jewish beliefs.<br />
No Jew can affirm belief in Jesus as &lsquo;maschiach&rsquo;, without violating core Jewish beliefs.   </p>
<p>Does that make it clearer?   </p>
<p>To put it another way: just as nobody can declare &lsquo;Jesus never existed&rsquo; and STILL claim to be a Christian, so too, nobody can worship Jesus and STILL claim to be a part of Judaism. </p>
<p>Now to clarify about being a Jewish Atheist: </p>
<p>Granted, Atheism is not the ideal path for any Jew. But &ndash; whether you like it or not &ndash; it IS entirely possible, according to JEWISH religious law, to be both Jewish AND an Atheist. </p>
<p>A person who is born into the Jewish family *remains* part of it unless they adopt ANOTHER RELIGION. </p>
<p>Now, I&rsquo;m sure you would agree that Atheism is *not* a &lsquo;religion&rsquo;. Thus a Jewish Atheist is merely a non practising Jew.</p>
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		<title>By: A Jew With A View</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Jew With A View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEY HELLOSNACKBAR :) 
 
 
They tend not to be former JWs in fact, but rather a distinct and bizarre Christian movement that is condemned by virtually all mainstream Christian leaders. 
 
Messianics have been around for decades so I&#8217;m not surprised you encountered one thirty years ago :) They used to call themselves &#8216;hebrew christians&#8217; and of course, the most well known is the &#8216;jews4jesus&#8217; group. Then they rebranded and now pose as &#8216;messianic jews&#8217;. They are Christians though &#8211; every single one of them. There&#8217;s a few EX Jews among them. 
 
And yes, you are totally right &#8211; Jews never, ever try and convert others :) 
 
Thanks for your comment :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY HELLOSNACKBAR <img src='http://www.ajewwithaview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>They tend not to be former JWs in fact, but rather a distinct and bizarre Christian movement that is condemned by virtually all mainstream Christian leaders. </p>
<p>Messianics have been around for decades so I&rsquo;m not surprised you encountered one thirty years ago <img src='http://www.ajewwithaview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  They used to call themselves &lsquo;hebrew christians&rsquo; and of course, the most well known is the &lsquo;jews4jesus&rsquo; group. Then they rebranded and now pose as &lsquo;messianic jews&rsquo;. They are Christians though &ndash; every single one of them. There&rsquo;s a few EX Jews among them. </p>
<p>And yes, you are totally right &ndash; Jews never, ever try and convert others <img src='http://www.ajewwithaview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Thanks for your comment <img src='http://www.ajewwithaview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: A Jew With A View</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Jew With A View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NICK 
 
-Let&#8217;s clarify about the Septuagint. 
 
Only the Torah part of this &#8211; the five books of Moses &#8211; was translated by Jews into the Greek. The rest was translated by non Jews. That&#8217;s possibly why you find that in the Septuagint, it says &#8216;worship&#8217; rather than &#8217;serve&#8217; :) 
 
In fact, later on, all of the Septuagint was revised and other books added to it that are not part of Jewish scriptures. In general, the Septuagint has never been regarded as a &#8216;Jewish&#8217; text, in fact. 
 
Let me know if you research the &#8217;son of man&#8217; further, I&#8217;ll be interested to know your conclusions </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NICK </p>
<p>-Let&rsquo;s clarify about the Septuagint. </p>
<p>Only the Torah part of this &ndash; the five books of Moses &ndash; was translated by Jews into the Greek. The rest was translated by non Jews. That&rsquo;s possibly why you find that in the Septuagint, it says &lsquo;worship&rsquo; rather than &rsquo;serve&rsquo; <img src='http://www.ajewwithaview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>In fact, later on, all of the Septuagint was revised and other books added to it that are not part of Jewish scriptures. In general, the Septuagint has never been regarded as a &lsquo;Jewish&rsquo; text, in fact. </p>
<p>Let me know if you research the &rsquo;son of man&rsquo; further, I&rsquo;ll be interested to know your conclusions</p>
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		<title>By: A Jew With A View</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Jew With A View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REPLY TO NICK continued: 
 
I&#8217;ve just read up a bit more about that particular phrase &#8216;the son of man&#8217; and apparently, even in several Christian versions of the OT it doesn&#8217;t appear. Rather: 
 
In other translations (NIV, NASB, AMP, ESV, CEV, ASV, RSV, YLT, and DARBY) it is interpreted as &#8220;A son of man&#8221; or even more simply (NLT) as &#8220;A man&#8221;. Thus, the phrase like others in the book refers not to a particular person but to someone in general. 
 
- source: &lt;a href=&quot;http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:a_N5id6njFcJ:&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.progressiveu.org/132214-skeptical-bible-study-daniel-chapter-7-daniels-vision-of-the-4-beasts+Judaism+Daniel+Chapter+7&amp;cd=2&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&quot;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.progressiveu.org/132214-skeptical-bible-study...&lt;/a&gt; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:a_N5id6njFcJ:...&lt;/a&gt;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.progressiveu.org/132214-skeptical-bible-study...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REPLY TO NICK continued: </p>
<p>I&rsquo;ve just read up a bit more about that particular phrase &lsquo;the son of man&rsquo; and apparently, even in several Christian versions of the OT it doesn&rsquo;t appear. Rather: </p>
<p>In other translations (NIV, NASB, AMP, ESV, CEV, ASV, RSV, YLT, and DARBY) it is interpreted as &ldquo;A son of man&rdquo; or even more simply (NLT) as &ldquo;A man&rdquo;. Thus, the phrase like others in the book refers not to a particular person but to someone in general. </p>
<p>- source: <a href="http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:a_N5id6njFcJ:<a href="http://www.progressiveu.org/132214-skeptical-bible-study-daniel-chapter-7-daniels-vision-of-the-4-beasts+Judaism+Daniel+Chapter+7&amp;cd=2&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us"" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.progressiveu.org/132214-skeptical-bible-study.." rel="nofollow">http://www.progressiveu.org/132214-skeptical-bible-study..</a>. target=&#8221;_blank&#8221;><a href="http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:a_N5id6njFcJ:.." rel="nofollow">http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:a_N5id6njFcJ:..</a>.&#8221; target=&#8221;_blank&#8221;><a href="http://www.progressiveu.org/132214-skeptical-bible-study.." rel="nofollow">http://www.progressiveu.org/132214-skeptical-bible-study..</a>.</p>
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